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Post by Tyson Apostle on Jul 21, 2011 4:55:38 GMT -5
My vote is 100% up in the air, so ill get right to it.
Ill start with Kenny, you see to be comin off as the "good guy" somehow... I thought we had a lil somethin going early in the game so thats why I was confused why you switched allegiance so quick after the swap while our old tribe had numbers. Did you build such a strong relationship with Joel and his crew after the swap or was that already in motion the whole time? As the game wore on I kinda got the feeling you were working with them all along and couldnt wait to be closer to them tribewise. I guess, my question just boils down to, were you with them no matter what once the game began, and if so why are you afraid to stand on your own two feet.
Russel, you seemed a little out of the loop at times. Was that an act or were you a part of every move made to get here? Side question, when you sent me the PM while I was on exile was that to truly warn me of Candice's intentions or were you hoping for a reply PM to get me out the same way Coach went out.
Joel, I gotta admit you took it to the next level. The play On Candice was justice served up proper.... Id like to know a little more about the Coach boot and the role you played in it. No judgement on it I just want to know more of the behind the scenes about it. Finally, do you want to win and think you deserve to?
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Post by Ken Hoang on Jul 21, 2011 5:19:20 GMT -5
Hey there Tyson, good to see you again. I had a feeling the whole allegiance / loyalty card would be thrown into play here and I can understand why you might be upset with me. The reality of the matter though is that from Day One I formed an alliance with Russell, as you know most of us having been on Exile Island at the time. The exchange basically was that we would have each other's backs, we would never vote against each other, that sort of thing and it extended to include Joel when he came up to me and revealed he had something going on with Russell too. There has been no fear or hesitance in my actions, nor have I been a puppet to anybody. I will say yes to the first part of your question, that my loyalty was to them and only them since the beginning. But I also want to note that for me to have allegiance to a group of people, that would imply words and an alliance had been built between them. I absolutely like you and the rest of my original tribe Tyson, that much is definitely true and still holds true to this Final T.C, but I never once struck Final 4, Final 6, Final 8 deals or whatever with you guys and that is where I feel my gameplay really shows. I didn't stick to Russ & Joel because I was whipped or was afraid to do something for myself, I in fact did a lot as an individual to get to this point. I stuck with them because I gave my word to them and I would not go back on that. I wanted to play this game as a loyal individual, not a treacherous one, and if being loyal to people you gave your word to is the equivalent of being afraid then I'm a coward. Thanks for the questions T and if you have anymore, feel free to ask and I'll get to 'em ASAP.  |
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Post by Tyson Apostle on Jul 21, 2011 5:38:23 GMT -5
Thanks for clarifying it some Kenny. My worry was that you were playing with these people before the game even started. If it was truly just an Exile alliance then that works for me... Only thing I find odd is if the alliance was made during Exile and their tribe was so gung ho on getting people out through talkin on exile then why didnt they go after you for it?
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Post by Joel Anderson on Jul 21, 2011 5:40:16 GMT -5
Joel, I gotta admit you took it to the next level. The play On Candice was justice served up proper.... Id like to know a little more about the Coach boot and the role you played in it. No judgement on it I just want to know more of the behind the scenes about it. Finally, do you want to win and think you deserve to? My role in Coach's removal was...everything. It was my idea. I knew who Coach was, knew she was a threat, knew she was growing an army and knew her flaw...he was cocky. Cocky enough to make a mistake. This was backed up when Coach went on Skype with like 3 or 4 people in the cast (Russell being one) and talked trash about how he wanted Corinne/Me/Candice gone first. So I used this to fuel Candice's fire. Instead of just TELLING you the role I partook...I'll just show you, as I have it all logged on my Skype... Nemle = Me Peter = Candice Tracy = Russell Tyler = Corinne Rebecca = Coach |
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Post by Joel Anderson on Jul 21, 2011 5:46:39 GMT -5
P.S. Sorry if I change from he to she a lot, but men playing women and women playing men makes meh head fry. xD
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Post by Tyson Apostle on Jul 21, 2011 5:50:11 GMT -5
[6/14/2011 1:32:03 PM] Nemle: Did you tell Joel?
[6/14/2011 1:32:08 PM] Nemle: Is he anti-Coach? :x
I just sorta did an initial scan(lots of text) so that part kinda confuses me, did Candice not know when she was talkin to Bo she was also talkin to Joel?
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Post by Joel Anderson on Jul 21, 2011 5:53:44 GMT -5
[6/14/2011 1:32:03 PM] Nemle: Did you tell Joel? [6/14/2011 1:32:08 PM] Nemle: Is he anti-Coach? :x I just sorta did an initial scan(lots of text) so that part kinda confuses me, did Candice not know when she was talkin to Bo she was also talkin to Joel? Ken's name in RL is Joel. That's who we were referring to there. It's funny cause in chats we always had to ask people "Wait, Squishy Joel or RL Joel?" xD |
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Post by Ken Hoang on Jul 21, 2011 5:57:11 GMT -5
The only people who really did the whole 'Getting people removed by making them talk' tactic were Candice and Joel. The latter would obviously not target me and try to get me removed because we had a final three agreement between ourselves and Russ.
When it came down to Candice, well, she was sorta part of our alliance as a fourth so at the time she too wouldn't have attempted conversation with me, lest she wanted a part of the alliance she was attached to removed from the game. So in short I was never a target of that chaotic tactic.
Also to elaborate on the 'sorta' part of the last para; as you probably saw throughout the game, Candice was a shady character who you could only trust so much if at all, and our ideas on where her true allegiance laid were blurry. She was pretty much kept on a need-to-know basis because of the incredibly tight bonds she had with people outside of our four, Corrine especially. Lord knows how many times she reminded us that if we ever did anything to Corrine we would basically feel the wrath of god strike down upon us in the form of Candice Woodcock. xD Not an exact quote but you get what I mean.
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Post by Joel Anderson on Jul 21, 2011 5:57:44 GMT -5
I missed the last part of your question about if I want to win or not. The answer is... YES!! I'd LOVE to win this game!! I worked DAMN HARD to get here and I feel I deserve to win.
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Post by Joel Anderson on Jul 21, 2011 6:04:01 GMT -5
The only people who really did the whole 'Getting people removed by making them talk' tactic were Candice and Joel. The latter would obviously not target me and try to get me removed because we had a final three agreement between ourselves and Russ. When it came down to Candice, well, she was sorta part of our alliance as a fourth so at the time she too wouldn't have attempted conversation with me, lest she wanted a part of the alliance she was attached to removed from the game. So in short I was never a target of that chaotic tactic. Also to elaborate on the 'sorta' part of the last para; as you probably saw throughout the game, Candice was a shady character who you could only trust so much if at all, and our ideas on where her true allegiance laid were blurry. She was pretty much kept on a need-to-know basis because of the incredibly tight bonds she had with people outside of our four, Corrine especially. Lord knows how many times she reminded us that if we ever did anything to Corrine we would basically feel the wrath of god strike down upon us in the form of Candice Woodcock. xD Not an exact quote but you get what I mean. Join the muddy waters of "Exile Removals" Ken...cause you should be here too.  Take this chat for example...which is the full chat in which we planned Candice's removal. Please not the part in yellow. |
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Post by Tyson Apostle on Jul 21, 2011 6:04:11 GMT -5
One last follow up question ken, the real russel hantz brings up a lot of controversy amongst Survivor fans. Do you think he ever deserved to win either of the times he made the finals? Just curious which side of that arguement you fall on
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Post by Ken Hoang on Jul 21, 2011 6:23:23 GMT -5
Note that you said 'you' pulled off the impossible, you're the one who got her removed and I in turn had no actual hand or reason behind his expulsion. Candice dug her own grave by talking and you're the one holding the shovel. That was the only time I did anything within that boundary & tactic and that's because you felt you NEEDED mine or Russ's help and Russ I don't think was around at the time. In retrospect I do regret my judgment that day because I wanted to help you out for the sake of our alliance but knew in turn that it could possibly be used against me. Ah man, that's a tough call but I say no. Samoa is a touch-and-go season for me when it comes to him because he wasn't as volatile towards the people that season as opposed to HvV, at least from what I remember (it has been a while xD). Heroes vs Villains though he did not manage his jury well at all; think about the way he treated and went at Rupert & Daniele, think about how he spat on the word he gave to people in order to benefit himself. I think Jury Management is just as important as strategic gameplay and in the case of Hantz I don't think he managed his jury well at all in HvV. Thanks for the questions bro. |
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Post by Joel Anderson on Jul 21, 2011 6:25:55 GMT -5
In the chat when I said "I pulled off the impossible" I was NOT referring to Candice's removal. That was not impossible, proven through Coach's removal previously. No, I was referring to actually being able to convince Jerri to GIVE ME her Earth Idol. Which she did...and I still have to this day. I'd post it for you all to see...but I don't have my confessional. |
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Post by Ken Hoang on Jul 21, 2011 6:39:26 GMT -5
Ah my mistake then. |
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Post by Tyson Apostle on Jul 21, 2011 6:47:22 GMT -5
Oh man, Nat over Russel in Samoa? I can understand the HvV loss but Samoa?, Yikes.
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Work it babe. 
