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Post by Greg Buis on Jul 21, 2011 14:34:58 GMT -5
Congratulations on reaching the finals, gents. Like Tyson, my vote is very much up for grabs. Here are my thoughts on how each of you played.....
Joel
PRO: Looking back, you seemed to be the man with the plan. You had an alliance right at the start, and you weren't afraid to make side-deals when it was necessary. You had the kind of proactive game that I enjoy watching on the show.
CON: Unfortunately, it seems that SOMEONE got their degree in Public Relations from Russell Hantz University. Your bitch-fests between you, Jerri and Natalie were painful to have to scroll through. I also didn't appreciate being lied to AFTER I was voted off (I didn't take it personally when I was in the game) - I'm still dead sure that you were the only one I told about the Candice/Jerri idea. In a way, you're pretty similar to the REAL Russell - your strategic game seemed strong, but you played it in a way that it's hard to want to vote for you.
Ken
PRO: What I respect about your game was that you did seem to play in that "middle ground" - you played a decent strategic game, even with a touch of ruthlessness, but you managed to do so in a diplomatic way. Out of the people who voted for me, I felt that you were the most respectful about it.
CON: Thank you for rubbing in your tribe's spotless challenge record, when almost half of the jury was on the team that never won. If I may venture the opinion, much of your team's challenge-winning prowess came from your ability to repeatedly save our inactive people, forcing us to dump ACTIVE members (people who deserved to stay), two by two. I'm convinced that, were it not for that exile twist OR your abuse of it, we could have won at least one challenge. This is where I don the Bitter Juror hat - since you are the only finalist from that "winning" team, I'm holding you accountable.
Russell
PRO: Unless someone wishes to correct me, I wanted to thank you for not voting me out. You turned out to be one of the few people I could actually count on in this game - not to mention that you and I went through the same nightmarish losing streak together. Shane graciously reminded me in the Jury House that "Survivor" is foremost a social game, and there's something to be said for casting a jury vote based on loyalty.
CON: I'm going to echo some of the comments that were already made, and say that you seemed to play the least proactive game in terms of strategy - typically what I base my vote on. If you can prove me wrong, and if you did independently make moves that got you further, please do so.
...Now for my dilemma. With all due respect to Jess, I wasn't thrilled with a lot of the twists in this game: six idols (four of which awarded by pure chance), some unbalanced "rewards" from the idol hunt, double-eliminations across the board, the winning team getting to save/exile TWO of their choice from the losing team (again, often the Inactives), the "Partners" twist.... not to mention all the people either exiled or immune at any given time.
The theme of "Anarchy" aside, it felt like there so many variables in this game that it's hard to tell where luck ended and strategy began. [For example, would Joel have REALLY aligned with Jerri, if not for the partners twist? Would he have tried to get Candice (his presumed ally) expelled? Would Tyson/Parvati have aligned, and would Ken/Russell have been as tight as they ended up?]
So here are things you can fill me in on when you answer...
1) Address whatever pros and cons you want . You can downplay the others' pros, or expand on your own, or explain why you disagree with your own con, or explain why I should vote for you in spite of it (good luck, Ken!).
2) Help me out with a brief breakdown of points where your own strategy got you further AND how instances of good luck carried you further. The more honest you are, the better!
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Post by Greg Buis on Jul 21, 2011 15:03:54 GMT -5
EDIT: Russell informed me that he actually DID vote for me. When I asked him after I was voted off, I was under the impression that he told me that he hadn't. But it turns out that he simply dodged the question. So..... yeah.
MORE EDITZ: I know Tyson didn't vote for me, because he self-voted. Can someone fill me in on who actually didn't vote for me? Thank you!
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Post by Ken Hoang on Jul 21, 2011 15:20:20 GMT -5
Hey Greg, thanks for the congrats. LOL I know I'm going to have one of the hardest sells with you but I'll do my best here and cross my fingers. xD I think you absolutely nailed what I've been reiterating throughout my questions here when it comes to my pros so I'll start with my cons. First off I'm sorry if it came across to you as me rubbing it in your guys' face, that was never the intention nor was I saying it in a mocking & condescending manner. I do want to go out on a limb and counter your statement about repeatably saving your inactive people by saying that it's not exactly fair to hold me accountable for actions that were not necessarily mine. Yes I was part of the tribe that exiled your inactive people but that doesn't mean I was the one who made those calls. There was perhaps one or two times where it became blatantly obvious that; "Yeah, we probably need to exile this said person to keep the trust of so-and-so." (Ex: Corrine & Candice) That I will take some responsibility for but overall a lot of the exile decisions for your tribe were not decided by me so I honestly do not feel I should be the person taking the full blame for it. I won't disagree or downplay the last bits because it IS pretty fun to watch an aggressive personality play on the show at times. I'd just like to note that he wasn't always "The man with the plan", in fact this man has admitted quote unquote; "Most of the ideas were either your idea or partly yours." I mean Joel obviously did come up with ideas of his own that in the end put him in the situation that he is in right now but so did I, so hopefully I'll be looked to strategically at the same level as him. This is also to counter a statement he made in Steph's questions where he implied I did absolutely nothing which I think is garbage. I'm pretty sure he is trying to take more credit than he actually deserves in terms of the strategic end of our alliance. He can slam on me all he wants about how I didn't do anything but you and I both know that I not only DID take prominent steps in this game, I did it in the right way and not in a way that wasn't arrogant nor overly aggressive. I'll just throw in my tidbit here that Russell may have come across to you as someone you could trust but it was a very much cohesive decision on their part to blindside you in the first place. If Joel wants it, Russell will back it. If Joel says it, Russ will agree. In fact if I remember correctly from the conversation I had with the two of them, Russell was the one who brought up you talking around to a lot of people which in turn made Joel label you as shady. I'll answer your second question momentarily seeing how big my answer is for your first one.  |
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Post by Joel Anderson on Jul 21, 2011 16:04:45 GMT -5
Congratulations on reaching the finals, gents. Like Tyson, my vote is very much up for grabs. Here are my thoughts on how each of you played..... Joel PRO: Looking back, you seemed to be the man with the plan. You had an alliance right at the start, and you weren't afraid to make side-deals when it was necessary. You had the kind of proactive game that I enjoy watching on the show. CON: Unfortunately, it seems that SOMEONE got their degree in Public Relations from Russell Hantz University. Your bitch-fests between you, Jerri and Natalie were painful to have to scroll through. I also didn't appreciate being lied to AFTER I was voted off (I didn't take it personally when I was in the game) - I'm still dead sure that you were the only one I told about the Candice/Jerri idea. In a way, you're pretty similar to the REAL Russell - your strategic game seemed strong, but you played it in a way that it's hard to want to vote for you. Ken PRO: What I respect about your game was that you did seem to play in that "middle ground" - you played a decent strategic game, even with a touch of ruthlessness, but you managed to do so in a diplomatic way. Out of the people who voted for me, I felt that you were the most respectful about it. CON: Thank you for rubbing in your tribe's spotless challenge record, when almost half of the jury was on the team that never won. If I may venture the opinion, much of your team's challenge-winning prowess came from your ability to repeatedly save our inactive people, forcing us to dump ACTIVE members (people who deserved to stay), two by two. I'm convinced that, were it not for that exile twist OR your abuse of it, we could have won at least one challenge. This is where I don the Bitter Juror hat - since you are the only finalist from that "winning" team, I'm holding you accountable. Russell PRO: Unless someone wishes to correct me, I wanted to thank you for not voting me out. You turned out to be one of the few people I could actually count on in this game - not to mention that you and I went through the same nightmarish losing streak together. Shane graciously reminded me in the Jury House that "Survivor" is foremost a social game, and there's something to be said for casting a jury vote based on loyalty. CON: I'm going to echo some of the comments that were already made, and say that you seemed to play the least proactive game in terms of strategy - typically what I base my vote on. If you can prove me wrong, and if you did independently make moves that got you further, please do so. ...Now for my dilemma. With all due respect to Jess, I wasn't thrilled with a lot of the twists in this game: six idols (four of which awarded by pure chance), some unbalanced "rewards" from the idol hunt, double-eliminations across the board, the winning team getting to save/exile TWO of their choice from the losing team (again, often the Inactives), the "Partners" twist.... not to mention all the people either exiled or immune at any given time. The theme of "Anarchy" aside, it felt like there so many variables in this game that it's hard to tell where luck ended and strategy began. [For example, would Joel have REALLY aligned with Jerri, if not for the partners twist? Would he have tried to get Candice (his presumed ally) expelled? Would Tyson/Parvati have aligned, and would Ken/Russell have been as tight as they ended up?] So here are things you can fill me in on when you answer... 1) Address whatever pros and cons you want . You can downplay the others' pros, or expand on your own, or explain why you disagree with your own con, or explain why I should vote for you in spite of it (good luck, Ken!). 2) Help me out with a brief breakdown of points where your own strategy got you further AND how instances of good luck carried you further. The more honest you are, the better! Natalie and I only ever had 1 fight and it wasn't real. It was merely boredom setting in for the both of us during a long challenge LOL As far as Jerri goes, the bitch started every fight and deserved everything that came her way. I'm sorry, but I will not sit and let someone accuse me of stuff I didn't do, insult me, or threaten my stay in the game. If you want to confuse me defending myself with "playing like Russell" then I can't stop you, but I feel you're mistaken because I treated everyone else in this game with the utmost respect (for the most part). Also, I never lied to you when you were voted out. What I told you was the truth. The reason the vote changed from our planned vote split and onto you was because we didn't know where you stood. Russell and I went to you for a Final 3 deal earlier that round because we were both suspicious of Candice and Ken's loyalties. Candice just could NOT let go of Natalie, which was a problem for us...and this was about the time Ken started acting funny about the "end game". So we wanted to make a deal with you as a safety net in case either broke from us. However, when we were discussing the vote you suggested we vote Jerri...and just would NOT let up on it. There was no way we were voting Jerri when all of our side was vulnerable. Especially when she declared war on Candice and I. You finally agreed with the split vote plan which was awesome! Then Candice came and told Ken and I that Natalie, Tyson and Rupert were voting ME because they learned of the vote split. We knew it wasn't because of me, Candice, Russell or Ken because we were the ones pushing for the split. It would make no sense for us to destroy the plan we were pushing for. That left YOU as the only other person who could've spilled the beans. Then the day of results, earlier in the day Ken came to us and told us you sent him a PM (or an IM one) saying you wanted to vote Jerri now. We found this odd because we had already settled this. So thinking you had turned on us...we turned the vote on you. I too didn't like the MANY twists, but Jess is fond of them and I always approach games like this with the mindset that this isn't the Survivor you see on the show. This is a NEW Survivor with JESS rules and style. So you have to adapt. These multitude of twists are apart of the game and instead of complaining about them or fighting them I decided to use them to our benefit the best we could. To answer your "what ifs"...even when we were "partners" I was never aligned with Jerri. Bitch never even showed for our challenges, so we didn't even get to work together in that aspect. I convinced her to give me her Earth Idol (before Candice was removed) so when she was made my partner I threatened her with it. It's the only reason we got along at that point. As far as the Candice elimination...it would've stayed the same. If Myself/Rupert...or Ken/Russell won immunity then the plan was to Exile the other team. Then we'd vote out Jerri (which would drag Candice out with her)...then Jerri's Earth Idol would kick in and take Parvati/Tyson with them. The idol was an automatic kick-in idol so she had no control over if it got played or not. That was the plan Ken and I thought up seperately, but told each other at the same time. So when I told Parvati she was never the target that round...I was being honest. She wasn't. Jerri & Candice were. And please note that Candice and I were never F2 partners. We had an arrangement where she knew my F2 partner was Shane...and hers was Corinne. We worked together to try and protect each other and our respective partners. When she helped to fuck over Shane...she lost my loyalties. As far as the alliances you mentioned...Russell & Ken were aligned since Day 1. No clue about Tyson & Parvati's relationship though. |
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Post by Greg Buis on Jul 21, 2011 16:33:04 GMT -5
Joel, I'm sure you believe you're telling the truth, so I'm willing to agree to disagree...
*First, as you pointed out, I DID eventually let up on the Jerri idea. Second, given the way you described the alliances to me, it put us in one alliance, Jerri in another, and Candice in a third. Why shouldn't I suggest something that would (to my understanding) remove a member from EACH alliance?
*I remain convinced that I never told Ken about the idea. I contacted him about the split, but that was about the only contact I'd had with him - that was over PM, since I have yet to talk with him on AIM.
*If I did "spill the beans," it's because I thought I was helping our cause. You told me that one alliance was you/me/Russell, one was Candice/Natalie/Parvati, and one was Tyson/Jerri/Rupert. My understanding was that the first two alliances were in on splitting the vote between Tyson and Rupert. I did contact Natalie and Candice to ask which way in the split they were voting, since I naturally assumed they were already in on the plan. So if I did "leak" the info, then that's partly your fault since I was trusting your word on what the alliances were.
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Post by Joel Anderson on Jul 21, 2011 17:08:03 GMT -5
I'm posting my break down separately just to save on space. Luck was a crucial part of this game and for anyone to say otherwise is foolish. Those starting idols, the captains and those who went to TC in that first round...was all based SOLELY on luck. It was luck that brought Candice and I together in the first place (because I was trying to play alias and she caught me accidentally inserting an away message in the wrong AIM. xD I fail at aliases. LOL) It could be said that it was luck in us correctly saving Russell with that idol the round Natalie left. We had nothing solid to base that off of, just instinct and guts. Who we were partnered with was luck. We could've all 4 been given enemies as partners and been fucked, but no. It was the bad luck of the draw that sent Tyson home when he did. So there was a lot of luck in this game. Episode 1) Luck of the draw sent me to Exile. While on Exile a large group of us agreed to stick together. This is where I made alliances with Candice, myself, Russell, Sandra and Shane. Russell made an alliance with pretty much the same people plus Ken. I can't speak for Ken on this aspect because of our lack in communication this early in the game. Episode 2) We had a Double TC. In the first vote I targeted Courtney because she was a threat to my game. She was strong, smart and had connections on the other tribe. I did NOT want her in this game! In the second vote you came to us and told us Rob didn't want to play the game anymore. Nobody really questioned it and we took him out. Rob later told us this was a lie, but I didn't really care. LOL Episode 3) Candace was removed for inactivity and yet again we lost immunity. We came to a crossroads on who would be best to vote out. Had Janu not been Exiled she would've left, but she was so we had to choose between Sugar or you. Together (Candice, Russell and I) agreed that Greg's strength was more important than Sugar's possiblilities. In a plan he created on his own to bring Candice closer to us, Russell sent Candice a vote and blamed it on you. This was so you could be labelled as "sketchy" and we'd have a reason to vote you out if we needed one down the line. Episode 4) Jonathan was removed for inactivity. We lost immunity and was told we had to vote out 2 people again. In you being Exiled it meant we only had 1 free vote out (Janu) before we'd have to turn on ourselves. When the opportunity to get Coach presented itself we took it. Might as well have SOMETING good come out of the round. The Janu vote was difficult because she claimed to have an idol. We didn't believe it to be true, but we had to plan around it just in case. So we convinced Janu there was a division: Candice vs Sandra. We pretended they were head strong against each other! Sandra ran to Janu asking for help...Candice ran to Janu asking for help. Turns out Janu didn't like Candice so she was on Team Sandra. So we had our plan. We all vote Janu...Janu votes Candice, thinking she's making a big move. Janu left the game as planned. The only hitch was with Candice casting a vote for Sandra (just in case Janu really did have an idol). Next was the Sandra vote out. In all honesty this was a case of "who would be more beneficial". Sandra was loyal to the bone to us. To me. Candice...not so much. However, she was trying to be. She had connections we could use in the upcoming shuffle and that's what ultimately sealed the deal. Episode 5) We won immunity for the first time ever!  Steph was voted out and NaOnka was removed. This caused a fight in our group actually. Because for hours Candice was talking about getting NaOnka removed while at Exile to save Corinne from the TC vote. We thought we had her convinced it would be STUPID to get an inactive removed from the opposing tribe! >.< Then we get to the site to see...voila! She was removed. >.< It caused a lot of mistrust in our group and I think this is when Candice was really starting to lose us as allies. Cause it was just too convenient and we didn't know if she was lying or not. Candice claimed it was you who did it btw. I am curious if it's true. Did you? xD Episode 6) We won immunity again and this is where it became a tricky round. >.< Our alliance was talking about the other tribe's TC. Candice agreed to a plan that was TRICKY, but if worked right could be possible. At TC was Corinne, Shane & Natalie. At this point we knew Natalie had the Fire Idol and we knew what it did. We wanted to flush it...so the immediate plan was to get both Shane & Corinne to vote Natalie. She'd be saved by her idol and would get to single handedly decide who left out of Shane and Corinne. This was the catchy part because Shane was my Final 2 partner. Candice swore to us that she would work on Natalie to ENSURE that when this time came it was Corinne that Natalie took out. There was no possible way for Corinne to survive the round so saving our only other ally (Shane) was the plan. I don't know if Natalie would've taken Corinne out or not. I can't speak for her. But if she had then in the next TC it would've been Natalie vs Shane. Shane also had a Hidden Idol (a normal one though; didn't work against specials) and would've survived. However, this failed because Corinne went on vacation, left Candice their account PW who then gave it to a mutual friend of theirs and told her to vote for Corinne...against Shane. So when that first vote played out it made Shane look like the stand out...and he was taken out for it Why Candice did this I have no clue because Corinne stood no chance to survive the second TC because of sheer past votes. Episode 7) The drama with the split vote and thinking you turned on us...made us turn on you and vote you out. I went into further detail earlier, so I'll skip a bit here. Episode 8) We tried yet again to do the split vote plan between Tyson & Rupert to flush that idol Rupert had and lose an enemy at once...but this round was fishy. There was no resistance from the other players in the plan and my gut told me something was up. When I talked to Ken and Russell they said it felt weird too. We had absolutely nothing to really go on other than our guts, but it was enough to convince us. Ken gave Russell his idol (we figured since I was immune they'd go for who they felt was my right hand man, which they thought was Russell). We decided to vote Natalie. We figured...if they all teamed up against us then Russell's idol would save him and Natalie would leave easily. About an hour after everyone left it hit me. Candice was unaware of ANY of this. She was still under the impression we were splitting votes, so her vote was for Rupert. In previous rounds we figured out (based on stats) that the last special idol had to belong to Rupert or Tyson. During a ninja session Russell learned Rupert had it. So if I voted Rupert too then the vote would go...4Russell(VOID)...2Rupert(VOID)...2Natalie...she goes home. It was so off the wall that any of this was even possible. LOL But we figured it was safe to at least try because if it turned out they WERE being honest and splitting the votes...then they'd still be split and we'd still get our way. But turns out our gut was right and the plan worked. Episode 9) Partners twist was introduced (FUCK). The plan we made at this point was for Team Hairy (Rupert/Myself) or Team Sweetness (Russell/Ken) to win immunity. They then send the other team to Exile. At TC the immune team then votes out Jerri (with the help of the Double Vote). Jerri's exit takes Candice with her. Jerri's idol also takes Parvati/Tyson. Had it worked that way...we would've made the Final 4: Myself, Ken, Russell & Rupert. Buuuuttt it didn't. Parvati/Tyson won immunity and Exiled Jerri/Candice. In my opinion it was a very shallow, unthoughout move to make because they could've done the EXACT plan we were doing to ensure they made Final 4: Parvati, Tyson, Myself, Rupert. Get rid of 3 enemies and have majority to slide into the finale without me. Anyway...at this point I fully expected to be voted out. I had prepped myself and said my goodbyes. Then Ken told me he was trying to get Candice removed from Exile. He failed so I tried. I succeeded. At the same time though...I was also talking with Jerri (which was legal apparently because she was not yet sent to Exile by request). I managed to convince her to give me her idol. Jerri thought Candice was my Final 2 buddy and fell for a deal where I'd take out Russell/Ken with me to ensure Candice made F4. *giggles* So now that Candice is removed from the game it meant only ONE of us would be voted out of TC. Easy choice since we had 3/6 votes and Rupert was the 4th man out...and with more past votes than anyone. Survived the round, gained a new partner, had Candice removed...and gained a new idol. It was a good day. Episode 10) It was a simple round. Tyson never showed for the challenge so Parvati couldn't partake. Jerri never showed for the challenge so I couldn't partake. This handed Ken & Russell the win. Which in turn sealed Parvati & Tyson's fate at TC. We all voted Parvati...and Tyson fell with her (as her partner). Episode 11) The challenge was a 2 Part. Part 1 was Endurance where we couldn't leave the chat. Ken fell first due to his AIM messing him up. Russell bowed out in order to claim 2 prizes (many were offered and nobody bit until the last one which had 2 prizes technically). Russell took it to prevent Jerri from taking it cause had Jerri then she'd have had single say in who stayed and who left. At TC it was planned for Jerri to go. Would've been smooth 3-1...but Ken had previously ran to both Russell and Jerri to ask if they'd vote me out if Jerri won immunity. Both came and told me too. So as a sort of "FUCK YOU" to Ken...I voted with Jerri against him. I didn't want to LOSE Ken though...just give him a message. So I asked Russell to play her 2nd Double Vote on Jerri. So the vote was 3-2. Now) Hi.  |
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Post by Joel Anderson on Jul 21, 2011 17:14:45 GMT -5
Joel, I'm sure you believe you're telling the truth, so I'm willing to agree to disagree... *First, as you pointed out, I DID eventually let up on the Jerri idea. Second, given the way you described the alliances to me, it put us in one alliance, Jerri in another, and Candice in a third. Why shouldn't I suggest something that would (to my understanding) remove a member from EACH alliance? *I remain convinced that I never told Ken about the idea. I contacted him about the split, but that was about the only contact I'd had with him - that was over PM, since I have yet to talk with him on AIM. *If I did "spill the beans," it's because I thought I was helping our cause. You told me that one alliance was you/me/Russell, one was Candice/Natalie/Parvati, and one was Tyson/Jerri/Rupert. My understanding was that the first two alliances were in on splitting the vote between Tyson and Rupert. I did contact Natalie and Candice to ask which way in the split they were voting, since I naturally assumed they were already in on the plan. So if I did "leak" the info, then that's partly your fault since I was trusting your word on what the alliances were. I don't "believe I'm telling the truth"...I know I am. I'm sorry you feel I'm "lying", but I'm not. I'm telling you what I know and what I based the decision to vote you out on. That is what you asked for...that is what I am giving you. Am I saying you did in fact send Ken a PM? No. I'm saying he told us you did and he knew that you knew of the Candice/Jerri plan. He thought I had told you of the one we had already discussed, which I didn't. That's what led me to believe you did send him a PM. If you say you didn't then you didn't. But it doesn't explain how Ken knew you knew of the plan. |
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Post by Greg Buis on Jul 21, 2011 17:56:48 GMT -5
That must have felt nice. Thanks for bringing THAT up...
I tried to be clear about this from the get-go: Rob did not tell me that he WANTED to be voted out, just that he was busy and wouldn't MIND being voted out. It gave us a reason to vote for him over the people who wanted to stay and WOULD have minded being voted out.
In a way, yes. All I did was remind Jess that a week's worth of inactivity was enough to get Penner and Candace removed, and this was when Naonka had been out for eight days. I believe we had just gotten Steph out, leaving myself, Shane, and the idol-bearing Natalie. Figuring I was in trouble, I pushed for Jess to enforce the rules of participation, so that Naonka would leave instead of me or Shane.
And seriously..... STUPID? Stupid, to get rid of an Inactive from the opposing tribe, over someone who was actually playing the game? How about FAIR? Naonka was dead weight and I wasn't sorry to see her go, if it meant that I could actually win a challenge. You used to be on that losing team, so I would have thought you could sympathize.
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Post by Ken Hoang on Jul 21, 2011 18:01:42 GMT -5
Time to get to the next portion of your questioning. I mean I'll be honest, it was definitely good luck for me that my tribe won the way it did and please don't interpret this as me rubbing it in. I honestly am admitting that it was mostly luck on my part that things went down that way and that the other people in my tribe chose to exile those on yours the way they did. Going into the merge I became even more aware at the time of all these different elemental idols and the threat they bring to the game. A lot of hypothesis and discussion went into who could possibly have what, who did we KNOW have what or used their idol already, etc. That is where the plan of the tie vote came into fruition and for me it was set in stone until well... basically everything that Joel said above happened minus one or two details I don't remember myself saying. I didn't think I was throwing you under the bus, I too thought the vote was to split it between Tyson & Rupert. I came to them about your PM because I wanted to confirm that things were still going in the split vote direction and here is further proof: I do not recall ever telling Joel & Russell that you wanted to vote Jerri (hopefully my memory is not becoming as sharp as a dull knife, I'm positive I never said anything like that unless I never typed it out), just wanting to say. My biggest strategic pushes in the game were in the F7 and F6, not including the F8 plan Joel and I came up with individually since it never happened. It's maybe not as fascinating as a blindside but it still proves that I had the logic and right mindset going through this game. Parvati PM'd me some time after Candice got removed and after a bit of words have been spoken, she wanted me to flip and vote out Joel to prove that I wasn't whipped, or else she would vote for Joel if he was to make it to the F3. I absolutely interpreted that as trying to intimidate me into doing something out of fear that I would lose, I also saw that as Parv knowing her back was against the wall and I was one of her last options. At that point I hit a crossroads of sorts. I could either stick to my alliance with Russell & Joel and vote out Rupert, or I could flip to Tyson/Parvati and vote out Joel. I recognized the pros and the cons to each choice and I decided to stick with my original alliance not just because I was loyal but strategically it was the right move for me and still is I think. If the F3 consisted of myself, Parvati, and Tyson, my chances of winning would be slim to none as opposed to the F3 possibility between myself, Joel, and Russell. Plus it would have been two pairs against one, I'm pretty sure Russell & I were 5th-6th in the pecking order had I made the choice to flip my vote. Again in the F6 Parvati gave me an idea to toy with... voting out Joel & Jerri and using their Earth Idols to eliminate Tyson & Parv, giving me an instant F2 and an easy way to the end. That time I declined because think about the consequences of me doing something like that, the way people and the jury would perceive me then if I decided to take the easy way out? My thought process was that if I'm going to do anything, it won't be to take the easy way out because then I think that would be a true sign of someone who isn't confident in their alliance and choices. Although maybe not the most exciting strategic moves & decisions I made in this game, they're still strategic moves none-the-less and now here I stand... I could very well be rolling the dice here due to my decision but I stand by it. Hopefully that's good enough for your questions Greg, if you have anymore feel free to ask. |
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Post by Joel Anderson on Jul 21, 2011 18:08:49 GMT -5
That must have felt nice. Thanks for bringing THAT up... I tried to be clear about this from the get-go: Rob did not tell me that he WANTED to be voted out, just that he was busy and wouldn't MIND being voted out. It gave us a reason to vote for him over the people who wanted to stay and WOULD have minded being voted out. In a way, yes. All I did was remind Jess that a week's worth of inactivity was enough to get Penner and Candace removed, and this was when Naonka had been out for eight days. I believe we had just gotten Steph out, leaving myself, Shane, and the idol-bearing Natalie. Figuring I was in trouble, I pushed for Jess to enforce the rules of participation, so that Naonka would leave instead of me or Shane. And seriously..... STUPID? Stupid, to get rid of an Inactive from the opposing tribe, over someone who was actually playing the game? How about FAIR? Naonka was dead weight and I wasn't sorry to see her go, if it meant that I could actually win a challenge. You used to be on that losing team, so I would have thought you could sympathize. Sorry about the immunity thing. xD We were so doomed in our original tribe eh? >.< About the Rob thing...I think maybe people talking may have enlarged things there a bit. When I say it was "stupid" I mean in the sense that...as long as you guys have an inactive...we win immunity. On a logical standpoint to jeopardize our immunity streak would indeed be "stupid". I never said it would have been "fair". I did sympathize, but I didn't play emotionally. And to add to Joel...when you came to us about Greg, it was over Skype in a call. However, if THAT is the PM that he sent you...then you either lied to us (doubtful) or we just had a bad set of misunderstandings.  |
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Post by Greg Buis on Jul 21, 2011 18:17:50 GMT -5
Misunderstandings. That was, in fact, my first PM with Ken. The second (and last) was after I'd been voted out. |
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Post by SquishyJess on Jul 21, 2011 20:46:58 GMT -5
Hi Guys.. Miss Jess here. I will address your concerns in a bit Greg about my season but because I had closed off confessionals Russell asked me and gave me permission to post the following.
Russell at no point cast an official vote against you. At one point she had cast an early vote for you but could not bring herself to break loyalty and changed her vote before they were read.
This information was retrieved from her confessional. Thanks... I am sure she will be on the answer questions shortly
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Post by Russell Hantz on Jul 21, 2011 22:48:48 GMT -5
Thank you Jess for passing on the information!!
Greg i did not vote for you, i had but i changed it. We had a agreement and i couldnt go back on my word. I can get into my confessional now and see that i told you the wrong information. I am sorry about the mix~up.
I will be on in a lil while to answer questions.
Thanks guys!!!!
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Post by Greg Buis on Jul 22, 2011 0:33:17 GMT -5
Jess & Russell, thank you very much for clearing that up! |
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Steph was voted out and NaOnka was removed. This caused a fight in our group actually. Because for hours Candice was talking about getting NaOnka removed while at Exile to save Corinne from the TC vote. We thought we had her convinced it would be STUPID to get an inactive removed from the opposing tribe! >.< Then we get to the site to see...voila! She was removed. >.< It caused a lot of mistrust in our group and I think this is when Candice was really starting to lose us as allies. Cause it was just too convenient and we didn't know if she was lying or not. Candice claimed it was you who did it btw. I am curious if it's true. Did you? xD
